Question!

[Shadow]

Congrats on final 2 Coz. I would like to base my vote off of who played a better game. Now
I know you both believe you were both deserving and that either of you should win. But I'd like to hear a reason or two on why you should receive the crown over the other. I know nobody registered for this game to place second. You do not need to say what the other finalist did wrong, if you'd like, just what you yourself did right.

[coz]

Oh a chance to talk about myself. Lovely. How much time do you have? Break out your reading glasses, here comes a novel...

I'll break this into weeks so it is easier to read. I'm just going to detail as much as I can about what I did in the game and you can make your own decision about who you think played better.

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Week 1: The first big move I made in the game was to try to divert attention from myself by putting the target on someone other than me. I was the one who came up with the Oklahoma girls connection and spread it throughout the house. In my DR I even saved all my dated PMs that I sent to you all to prove that I was the one starting all that.

We all got Brandon to do our dirty work and target people other than us and I think that was a good decision by all of us. What was particularly funny about that week was right before the noms, I tipped Jerri off about her going up and after she went off on Brandon and thanked me for having her back. It was my fault that she went up and she was thanking me:) I was impressed with myself with that one, especially since I didn't actually lie to her.

Another thing that was funny about this week was when the HOH comp started, the golden room which included my future alliance Mikey and Donna were smiting me to make sure that I didn't win. That just made me try even harder to make sure that Brandon won HOH and we picked one of them off. I think that if they won I would have gone up for sure and I probably exalted Brandon more than anyone to make sure that they didn't win.

After Brandon won people stopped talking to me and I noticed conversations going on in the HOH room that I wasn't invited to. So I was extremely worried at that point that alliances were being formed without me. When the POV was used on Kandie that just confirmed to me that people were getting close to each other and leaving me out.

Brandon also initially wanted us to agree to target whoever was left out of Kandie and Jerri but then changed his mind about Kandie when I asked him later if he still wanted Kandie out. POV being used and that comment just confirmed to me that he was trying to work with her.

I also voted to evict Mikey that week because I wanted to try to cause trouble and make the people who were forming these alliances wonder about who the mystery vote was from.

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Week 2: This week I was shitting my pants because after that POV move you made I knew that I was being left out and that meant I was on my way out the door. Either straight up, backdoored or after the "inactives," I knew that I was toast.

The way I saw things at this point was that Shadow, Brandon and Kandie could not be trusted at all because of the POV thing, so no matter what they said I would not believe them. That's not saying they would lie to me, but that action of the POV being used made it almost impossible for me to believe them even if they told me the truth.

So I saw the house set up like this... Shadow, Brandon, Kandie, Mitch, Max and KC were people that I felt could be together in some way and I had to assume that they were and not trust any of them.

That left potential alliances for me being Mikey, Joey, Donna and Peach. So before the HOH comp I got ahold of Mikey because out of everyone in the house I knew for sure he was not working with the other side and would be on my side since we were in the same boat.

KC was someone that I talked to in week 1 about a potential alliance and the reason why I couldn't trust KC after week 1 was because after Brandon won HOH he started giving me one word answers in his emails and wasn't saying much to me. So that's why I put KC in the mix with the rest of them. It was way too suspicious that KC was being so short with me and I couldn't trust him because of it.

So at that point Mikey and I were on the same page and started working together mainly because we had no other choice. Max won and thankfully he put up inactives instead of us.


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Weeks 3-4: Mikey and I knew that this was a must win HOH for us and thankfully I won the twist competition. If I didn't win that we would have been done for sure. Mikey giving me his age and keeping it from everyone else was key to winning that competition.

So I used my 2 week HOH reign as an opportunity to get as much information as I could from people. To do this I used a very useful tool called a Mitch. How you operate a tool like Mitch is you set him loose in the house and people tell him things, then he comes back to you and blabs. Sure he lied and made up shit, but he was bad at it , so it was easy to see through it all. Another way to use a Mitch is to tell him things that you want to spread throughout the house. Very useful. I would highly recommend people using a tool like Mitch if you ever play a game like this again.

I took great pleasure in making Mitch vote out his bestest pal Kandie. He wasn't doing me any favors by doing so either, they really had no choice since I was HOH for 2 weeks. I laughed my ass off when Mitch contacted Mikey and tried to get him to vote to keep Kandie to screw me over. Nice try Mitchie, my number one ally!

This was also the week where I first started talking to Donna. I was open to hooking up with Peach too, but she didn't say much to me when I contacted her so I couldn't bring her in because of that.

Donna earned my respect during my first HOH because she made a strong comeback to the game and did a great job from that point on. She won a POV that was important to keep Brandon and Shadow on the block that allowed me to keep stringing Mitch along another week.

During my 2 weeks I think that i did a good job of putting a dent in that side of the house and leveling the playing field a bit. We were total underdogs before I won and I think getting rid of Kandie and Brandon evened things out a bit.

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Week 5: Mitch threw HOH by not playing it, so that put the target on his back earlier than expected. He told me that he was going to put up Max if he won, so when he threw it I knew that he was planning on coming after me the first chance he got and since I had immunity that week he didn't want to win because then he couldn't avenge Kandie's eviction.

Donna won HOH and unlike what some of you think I was not calling the shots with Donna. All that mattered to me was that Mikey and I didn't get put up and that one of Max, Shadow and Mitch went home. If I was HOH that week, I would have put up Mitch and Shadow. Donna put up Mitch and Peach, which I think was the biggest mistake our alliance made because that gave them an opportunity to get rid of Peach and all come after us the following week with only Mikey and I being able to play in HOH.

When Max won POV, he PMed me and told me that he was taking Mitch down. I immediately went to Donna to try to get her to help me convince him to not use it on Mitch. The only criticism I have of Donna's game is what happened this week. She told Max that she wanted to backdoor KC, because we wanted Peach off the block to make sure that she didn't go home. But she didn't clarify that Mitch had to stay up on the block. So after it was all over and Max saw that the plan wasn't really to backdoor KC, that was a dead giveaway that we were working together.

With all due respect to Donna, if I didn't come online to try to stop Max from using that POV on Mitch, I don't think that she would have known to stop him. And her changing her story with the KC backdooring plan is what I think gave it away that we were working together. Donna deserves credit for getting the job done in the end, but she didn't do it on her own and Max could have easily taken Mitch down without telling her since she lied to him and told him that the target was KC. If the target really was KC, then it shouldn't have mattered who was taken down. I think Donna will agree that how all that was handled was her biggest mistake in the game. We would have been fucked if Mitch stayed and Peach went home that week.

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Week 6: With Mitch gone our biggest threats in the game were Max and Shadow. From this point on we made all game decisions group decisions and Donna and Mikey wanted Max gone this week. If it was up to me, Shadow would have been first, so there's another example to squash the idea that I was completely running the show. We were a team and we made group decisions, this was one of them.

This was an endurance comp. The goal was for either me or Mikey to win, but game wise, it would have been better for Mikey to win. Since Mikey wasn't online that first night I had to stay up all night making sure that I got a huge lead on Shadow. Mikey came online early the next morning and I told him that if he thought he could catch up that I would stop posting unless I saw Shadow online. So that's what we did and we kept it close between us just in case one of us couldn't stay online. We also thought that people would think we were against each other because who in their right mind would try to win an endurance comp against his own alliance member? Us that's who! It obviously worked because you even admitted that you thought he was really trying to beat me.

Mikey won and the plan was that if anyone approached him about putting me up that he would tell them that we cut a one week deal near the end of endurance. The intention being to give him a good excuse as to why he didn't put me up.

Here is where Mikey made his best strategy move of the game. I wanted Shadow and Max up, but Mikey suggested Max and KC, which was a much better choice. Mikey not pissing off Shadow turned out to be good for us in the long run.

See the plan at this point in the game was to position ourselves where we didn't get 2 of us on the block together. Example: Donna and Mikey both didn't put up Shadow, so the thinking was if Shadow won HOH and left them off the block, then if I was up against someone else we would have the votes to keep me. That's why I didn't want Donna to put up Max during her HOH because I think Max would have tried to backdoor us instead of coming at us head on, so we would have had the vote to stay even if we lost HOH.

So then there was the crazy POV where you have to give up HOHs. I knew immediately that one of the noms was coming down and the goal was to make sure that KC won. So I PMed KC and told him that I was putting down all the points, except giving up HOHs and POVs. I wanted to make sure that whoever won was going to give up some power and I knew that he would do more than me because his ass was on the line. The truth is I only put the house on slop and didn't risk anything though. I also made KC feel like he had to win or he would go home with the hopes that he would give up more than Max which he did. Sorry KC, but I had to do it and it turned out to be a good move.

Max stayed up and was evicted. I won't even get into the whole blindsiding him thing, because I think that's all silly. I told him the truth after it was too late and it didn't matter if it was before or after the eviction. If anyone should be mad it should be Donna at me for making her look bad and I apologized to her after because that wasn't my intention.

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Week 7: This was the infamous "items" HOH. Our goal this week was to get rid of you Shadow. You messaged me trying to get me to give you your items and you know how all that went down. Not a chance in hell, but we convinced you to give your items to a "neutral" person and you did.

Yada yada yada.... Everyone told us the truth about their items, which by the way Donna and I were totally shocked that you all told us the truth. We thought at least one of you would lie to us. Especially after how Max called us out as being together.

Donna won. Went back on her word to you and then we decided to make up a fake conversation to trick you into thinking that I had your back and was outraged by Donna dicking you over. The strat with that was to get you to think that you were with Mikey and I so just in case you saved yourself and won HOH the next week that you would keep us off the block and we would save Donna.

I won POV, you were evicted and then all that stood in our way was Peach and KC who couldn't play in any HOHs.

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Week 8: I tried my best to throw HOH to Mikey but he didn't log on after he thought he already won, so I had to win to make sure that Peach didn't. This was an HOH that I definitely did not want to win because KC was under the false impression that I had an alliance with him and I had to put him up. Also, Final 5 HOH is the worst HOH to win because you can't play for final 4 HOH.

This is where I made my biggest mistake in the game. I told KC the truth about our alliance at this point because I thought I needed him to cooperate to make sure that they didn't win POV. I counted wrong and didn't realize that it didn't matter what they did, that we controlled it no matter what. So super dumb move by me outing our alliance at that point.

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Week 9: Donna wins again and I had to win another endurance comp to stay in the game. I trusted Donna and Mikey, but if I was in their shoes I would have picked me off at that point in the game, so I felt that I had to win. I don't want to take too much credit for winning these endurance comps, because it's not fair to people who actually have lives or need to go to school, but I did bust my ass to stay in the game when I needed to.

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Week 10: Another endurance comp. Easy one to win and you all know what happened after that because things were all out in the open.

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Bottom line is I used good judgement by trusting and not trusting the right people, I made confident good decisions throughout the game and I won the most competitions. 3 HOHs, 4 POVs, but more importantly I made good use out of my power when I had it. If this was for money, I would have been nice at the end to lock up some jury votes, but I honestly don't care if I win, so I decided to have some fun in the end instead of worrying what you all think.

You're right. We didn't sign up for 2nd place. I signed up because I wanted to play, have fun and go as far as I could. That I did and I really wouldn't change one thing. Winning is not important to me. My alliance kicked ass and I'm proud of how we played. That's all that matters to me.

[Shadow]

Thanks Coz, nice response. I understand a lot more to what went down in the game. (From your alliances point of view)


I'd also like to note: I have no idea what those posts in Brandons HOH's room were. We all assumed it was you haha. But I think Brandon said he was keeping it as a diary room? I'm not sure. Brandon, you might want to clear that up!

[coz]

I saw you and Max online at the same time so I knew that one of you was in that room because the posts went up and you were the only two online. Max said that it was him in there with Brandon and Peach because Brandon wanted to get to know the couple's room people. Don't know if that's the truth, but that's what he told me.

The problem with that was Brandon was lying and telling people he was using it for his DR so it gave me even more of a reason not to trust him.

[Shadow]

Ah, so that was what the whole "Brandon's lied to me before" thing was

[Peach]

Brandon did not try to get to know the couples room. I was in the couples room and it was pretty dead lol.

[coz]

Ah, so Max and Brandon lied to me about that then? You were never in Brandon's HOH room? I thought that was hard to believe. You guys should all tell us what was really going on for your side now that we fessed up. I have to admit that I still don't know how everyone was aligned the week I was HOH. All I knew for sure was that I needed to get rid of Kandie, Shadow, Brandon and Mitch. I was fine with Max being at the bottom of my target totem pole because at least I could talk to him.

[Max]

OK just in case you guys REALLY want to know.

Brandon and I knew each other before the game. It wasn't really that picture perfect because in the game where we met...Larissa, myself, and Brandon had alliance to Final 3 and Larissa and I backstabbed Brandon. Thus when Brandon was happy I was in the game I wasn't sure if it was because he really wanted to try working with me again or if he wanted to prove he could kick my ass. I took a chance with Brandon though and it definitely paid off in terms of his loyality. He was 100% with me.

I was the one talking to Brandon in the HOH room on Week 1.

Then Kandie and Mitch were basically an inseparable pair...oh and then a Brandon, Kandie, Mitch, Shadow, and I thing happened...that's about it.




Oh but what really matters is this. On the controvercy of WHO "got me" to go after Mitch when I was going to use veto on him...

The bottom line is that Mitch got me to go after Mitch, he fucked up big. Mitch and I realized what Coz was playing us against each other...but at the same time we couldn't fully trust each other still. So I told him from now on...no more AIM copies of our conversations to Coz or I swear to god I'll get rid of you. So what does that dumbass do? He sends that exact conversation to Coz.

That's what flipped me. Not Donna threatening me, and not Coz either. However it was Coz that got me to flip because Coz was the one who sent me a PM with a very familiar AIM conversation between Mitch and I. So I got rid of him.

[coz]

That's nuts. So there was a twist.

Funny thing is ask Donna and she will tell you that we were paranoid that Larissa was favoring someone and trying to sabotage us. We actually agreed at one point to stop posting in our DR about what our plans were because we were convinced she was fucking with us. I actually thought she was favoring you, but I thought I was just being paranoid.

I'm not accusing Larissa of anything shady though, maybe she was just subconsciously protecting you.

And KC, you fucked up man. You should have talked to me more if you weren't a part of all that.

[Max]

Coz, every time my alliance was talking about you...it'd be "We got to break up Coz and KC because they got to be a pair"

And I don't know how Larissa was favoring me...I mean shit, I got evicted pretty lamely. The HOH I won...YOU ALL were responsible for giving it to me. I definitely didn't see the love from Larissa.

You on the other hand...there was a twist that HOH would be two weeks instead of one the week you won it...then you had like what? 3 endurance comps? The sort of comp that you can kick ass in so much that no one even had a chance?

I think if anyone was favored it was you...but I really don't think it's favoring at all. That's how it all happens.

I had no inside game info (Would the Mitch thing seriously have happened if I was?)...so conspiracy is groundless.

[Larissa]

there was no favoring at all what so ever, I would never do that period end of story (evel dick)

the 2 people I knew in this game before it started went out pretty quick......... there was no inside info given out

[coz]

I actually don't remember what made me think that Larissa was favoring someone, but I do remember that it came to mind and that I talked to Donna about it.

Like I said, I'm not accusing Larissa of anything shady. I just think it's funny that the thought actually came into my head that she was protecting you and then this came out. But I never would have thought in a million years that you 3 knew each other before this. So good job keeping that a secret.

The 3 week twist wouldn't have helped me if I didn't win it. It's not like it was tailored for me to win unless she knew that Mikey didn't give out his age to anyone else.

Endurance in final 4 POV did help me though because I needed that one badly that week. That was just ridiculous having 2 weeks straight of endurance.

[Brandon]

Jun 5, 2008 1:04:50 GMT -5 Max said:

OK just in case you guys REALLY want to know.

Brandon and I knew each other before the game. It wasn't really that picture perfect because in the game where we met...Larissa, myself, and Brandon had alliance to Final 3 and Larissa and I backstabbed Brandon. Thus when Brandon was happy I was in the game I wasn't sure if it was because he really wanted to try working with me again or if he wanted to prove he could kick my ass. I took a chance with Brandon though and it definitely paid off in terms of his loyality. He was 100% with me.

I was the one talking to Brandon in the HOH room on Week 1.

Then Kandie and Mitch were basically an inseparable pair...oh and then a Brandon, Kandie, Mitch, Shadow, and I thing happened...that's about it.

That pretty much sums it up!

[kandie]

Jun 5, 2008 1:04:50 GMT -5 Max said:

OK just in case you guys REALLY want to know.

Brandon and I knew each other before the game. It wasn't really that picture perfect because in the game where we met...Larissa, myself, and Brandon had alliance to Final 3 and Larissa and I backstabbed Brandon. Thus when Brandon was happy I was in the game I wasn't sure if it was because he really wanted to try working with me again or if he wanted to prove he could kick my ass. I took a chance with Brandon though and it definitely paid off in terms of his loyality. He was 100% with me.

I was the one talking to Brandon in the HOH room on Week 1.

Then Kandie and Mitch were basically an inseparable pair...oh and then a Brandon, Kandie, Mitch, Shadow, and I thing happened...that's about it.




Oh but what really matters is this. On the controvercy of WHO "got me" to go after Mitch when I was going to use veto on him...

The bottom line is that Mitch got me to go after Mitch, he fucked up big. Mitch and I realized what Coz was playing us against each other...but at the same time we couldn't fully trust each other still. So I told him from now on...no more AIM copies of our conversations to Coz or I swear to god I'll get rid of you. So what does that dumbass do? He sends that exact conversation to Coz.

That's what flipped me. Not Donna threatening me, and not Coz either. However it was Coz that got me to flip because Coz was the one who sent me a PM with a very familiar AIM conversation between Mitch and I. So I got rid of him.

Ummm….Max…..I think I just peed a little! ;D

Outstanding! That’s what Brandon was keeping from me! I knew something was going on…but I just couldn’t put my little finger on it!!!

Worshipping Max right now!! ;D

[Larissa]

LOL

I love how everyone is like shocked that max and brandon knew each other